In this episode of the Deep Leadership podcast, host John welcomes Dave Nordel, a retired United States Air Force command chief Master Sergeant with over 30 years of service and the head of Max Fab Consulting. Dave is also the author of a new book titled “When the Cows Lie Down: The Reason People Quit Their Leader.”

Together, they delve into the intriguing topic of why employees quit, touching on the challenges faced by veterans transitioning into civilian employment. Dave shares insights into leadership, emphasizing the importance of attentiveness, empathy, and communication in cultivating a healthy workplace culture.

Tune in to gain valuable wisdom on leadership and employee retention from a seasoned expert in this enlightening conversation.

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